In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Luke Bilberry sits down with Pastor Joel Wayne for a candid conversation about calling, conviction, and the moments God has used to shape Joel as a leader. From early encounters with God’s voice to seasons of hardship, risk, insecurity, and unexpected doors, Joel shares how God has refined him through both failure and faithfulness.
Together, they explore how grit and drive can drift into self-reliance, why leaders must keep returning to humility and repentance, and how empowering others reignites courage and longevity in ministry. Joel also unpacks the story behind his calling, his ministry transitions, and the early spark that led to Be The Church.
What you’ll learn:
- How God uses both hardship and opportunity to form spiritual leaders
- Why self-reliance is one of the greatest dangers for driven leaders
- How to discern the difference between your desires and God’s will
- The role of humility, repentance, and dependence in long-term leadership
- Why empowering others is essential—not optional—for healthy leadership
- How thinking about eternity reshapes the risks you take today
- The story behind Joel’s calling and the origin of Be The Church
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